![]() ![]() ![]() …But the benefits of Magical Lineage and Waywang Spellhunter can be combinedĮxcept in rare case, bonuses of the same type or from the same source don't stack, and, instead, only the highest bonus of the same type is applied. There's no Metamagic Master trait in the Dragon Empires Primer as per its provenance on the d20PFSRD, only Wayang Spellhunter. Although both are regional traits and many GMs do ignore the rule that says that a creature can't take more than one trait from each trait category (see here on Restrictions on Trait Selection), the traits are also the same trait: The d20PFSRD renamed and changed the description of the trait Metamagic Master to remove product identity from the trait Wayang Spellhunter. ![]() It's unlikely that a GM will allow one creature to take both the Metamagic Master trait and the Wayang Spellhunter trait. Metamagic Master and Wayang Spellhunter are the same trait… By the way, this spell should be recallable with a Pearl of Power (1st).ĭo Magical Lineage, Metamagic Master and Wayang Spellhunter stack together? So a 1st level Intensified Empowered Shocking Grasp. If they stack, I could cast a Shocking Grasp with Intensified Spell (+1) Empower Spell (+2) with Magical Lineage (-1), Metamagic Master (-1) and Wayang Spellhunter (-1). When you use this spell with a metamagic feat, it uses up a spell slot one level lower than it normally would. You grew up on one of the wayang-populated islands of Minata, and your use of magic while hunting has been a boon to you. When you use the chosen spell with a metamagic feat, it uses up a spell slot one level lower than it normally would. When you apply metamagic feats to this spell that add at least 1 level to the spell, treat its actual level as 1 lower for determining the spell’s final adjusted level. My favorite is a Heighten (free), Selective, Rime Fireball or Heighten (free), Intensified, Rime Fireball.Pick one spell when you choose this trait. Then, have all kinds of fun casting Intensified, Rime Fireballs, and if you build it right, take Spell Perfection at 15th to get Heighten for free, then take on two free Metamagic levels. I mention Shocking Grasp a lot because it seems to be a board favorite for these two traits.įor the non-PFS players, see if you can't get your GM to allow Admixture Wizards to prepare Rime spells (because Admixture changes the energy type at the moment of casting, not at spell preparation) on spells you intend to change to cold. Or Intensified, Reach (Close) Shocking Grasp out of a First level slot. Or an Elemental (Cold) Rime Shocking Grasp out of a First level slot. So you could have, say, an Empowered Shocking Grasp cast out of a First level slot, or an Intensified, Elemental (Cold) Rime Shocking Grasp out of a Second level slot. That doesn't mean you can't stack them to reduce a spell back to it's original level. The answer is no, you can't stack Wayang and Magical Lineage to reduce a first or second level spell below it's original level. I will see to it that the language of this ability is clarified soon and I will get this added to the FAQ. It was put in to allow you to reduce the increase from a metamagic feat. Magical Lineage was never intended as a way for you to actually lower a spell's level. The Devs' intent here is crystal clear to say the least. Jacobs keeps the same stance on this over the years. Whenever you cast that spell, its effects manifest at +1 caster level. Wayang Spellhunter and Magical Lineage don't provide a bonus, and thus don't fall under that ruling.Īctually, the traits I was referencing in that thread say :īenefit: Select one cantrip and one 1st-level spell when you cast these spells, they function at one caster level higher than your actual caster level.īenefit: Pick one spell when you choose this trait. They work completely differently from the two traits in question. The two traits you were referencing in that post give a spell a +1 trait bonus to caster level. I had a similar question some time ago (do not remember in which thread though) and someone official answered that a similar benefit given by 2 traits could not stack, even if it was not called out as being a trait bonusĮDIT : Found it. ![]()
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